A. (Dr. Zakir): The professor has asked a question, that I have spoken about various concept – I have explained the concept of Universal Brotherhood, and spoken that the concept of brotherhood based on blood relationship, on race, on caste, and creed, etc… they cause disturbance – I have not spoken on the concept of Kafir. Brother, Kafir is an Arabic word, which comes from the root word Kufr – which means ‘to conceal’… ‘to conceal’, ‘to hide’. It also means ‘to reject’, ‘to conceal’, and in context… in Islamic context, it means that… ‘Any person who conceals or rejects the truth of Islam’ – anyone who rejects the truth of Islam is called as a Kafir. Means anyone who rejects the truth of Islam – that there is one God, and Allah (swt), all that I spoke – he is a Kafir. Any Brotherhood besides the brotherhood of Universal Brotherhood of faith, and the Islamic Brotherhood – if it falls in other brotherhood, based on anything – there can be a hundred types of Brotherhood. Brotherhood based on particular region – whether it be India, whether it be Pakistan, whether it be America – all these other brotherhoods, that is not in the per view of the brotherhood of faith… believing in the concept of one God – disturbs the Universal Brotherhood, including if you say that the Kafirs… the Brotherhood of Kafirs. Do they disturb?… Yes they disturb. What is the meaning of Kafir ? – Anyone who rejects the truth of Islam. There are some Non-Muslims who ask me questions – and during Question-Answer, in one of the cassette, he said that…‘Why do the Muslims abuse us by calling… Kafir – and people say that their ego is hurt’. I said… ‘See Kafir is a Arabic word which means…‘A person who rejects the truth of Islam’ – It is a Arabic word. For a person who rejects the truth of Islam – in English, if I have to translate – He becomes a ‘Non-Muslim.’ So a person is a ‘Non-Muslim’, who rejects the truth of Islam – he is called as a Kafir. It is just a translation of the English word ‘Non Muslim.’ So if you say that…‘Do not call a Non-Muslim a Kafir’ – how can I do that? So if a person says…‘Why do you call me a Kafir ? Do not call me a Kafir’. So I can say that…‘You accept Islam – I will stop calling you a Kafir’. It is only a Arabic word for a Non-Muslim – Hope that answers the question.
A. (Dr. Zakir): What the sister is referring to, is the verse of the Bible, Gospel of Mathew, Chapter No 12, Verse No. 38 and 40, ‘when people asked Jesus Christ (peace be upon him)… ‘Show me a sign, show me a miracle’. Jesus Christ (peace be upon him), says… ‘You evil and adulteration’s generation, seeketh after a sign, no sign shall be given to you, but the sign of Jonah. For as Jonah was 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the whale, so shall the son of man be 3 days and 3 nights, in the heart of the earth’ – Sign of Jonah. Jesus Christ peace be upon him, puts all his eggs in one basket. And if you go to the sign of Jonah… the book of Jonah is less than 2 pages, and most of us know. And if you analyze, that Jonah was 3 days and 3 nights – but Jesus Christ peace be upon him, we know from the Gospels, that he was put on the cross – the alleged crucification. By late evening, he was brought down from the cross and put in a sepulchre – And on Sunday morning if you see, the stone is moved away, and the sepulchre is completely empty. So Jesus Christ peace be upon him, is in the tomb, on Friday night.’ He was there in Saturday morning, one day, one night. And he was there Saturday night – so two nights and one day. And Sunday morning the tomb was empty. So Jesus Christ peace be upon him, was there for two nights, and one day – It is not 3 days and 3 nights. Dr. William Campbell gives the reply in his book, that… ‘You know, part of the day can be counted as one day – And if a patient comes to me, who is sick on Saturday night – on Monday morning, and if I ask him… ‘How long are you sick for ? ’ He will say… ‘ 3 days.’ I agree with you – Concordance approach, I agree – I am very generous. You say part of the day, is full day – I agree with you. So Saturday night, part of the day – one day. Sunday, part of the day, full day – one – good. Monday part of the day full day – no problem. If patient says… ‘3 days’ – No objection. But no patient will ever say… ‘3 days and 3 nights.’ I challenge. I have Alhamdulillah, met various patients – I have not come across a single patient, including Christian missionaries, who have ever told to me – who were sick in the night, day before yesterday, saying… ‘I am sick for 3 days, 3 nights.’ So Jesus Christ peace be upon him, did not say… ‘3 days’ – Jesus Christ peace be upon him said… ‘3 days and 3 nights.’ So it is a mathematical error – Scientifically, Jesus Christ peace be upon him, did not prove. And further more, the prophecy says… ‘As Jonah was, so shallthe son of man be.’ Jonah was – How? How was Jonah in the belly of the Whale?… Belly of the fish… Dead or alive? Alive – When he was thrown over board, he was alive. In the belly of the whale, he goes around the ocean, dead or alive? – Alive. He prays to Almighty God… dead or alive ? – Alive! He is vomited out on the seashore – Dead of alive? Alive, alive, alive, alive. When I ask the Christians… ‘How was Jesus Christ peace be upon him, in the sepulchre… in the tomb – Dead of alive?’ They tell me… ‘Dead.’ If he is dead, he has not fulfilled the sign. You can refer to my video cassette ‘Was Jesus Christ peace be upon him really crucified ?’ – I have proved that Jesus Christ peace be upon him was not crucified. As the Qur’an says in Surah Nisa, Chapter 4, Verse No. 157… (Arabic) … ‘They did not kill him, neither did they crucify him – It was only made to appear so.’
A. That is a very good question – It is a very important question. And we Muslims should be very careful while being compatible with the Qur’an and modern science. Therefore I said in the beginning of my talk – I will only be speaking about those scientific facts, which have been established. And a scientific fact, which has been established – for example, the earth is spherical – It can never go wrong. Established science can never take U-turns. But unestablished science like hypothesis and theories can take U-turns. I know Muslim scholars, who have tried to prove Darwin’s theory, from the Qur’an. Nonsense! So therefore, we should not go overboard, and try and prove everything of modern science. We have to be careful to check up whether it is established, or unestablished. If it is established, Alhamdulillah, with scientific proof, the Qur’an will never go against it. If it is hypothesis, it may be right, it may be wrong. Like ‘Big Bang’ theory – It was a hypothesis earlier – Earlier it was a hypothesis. Today after solid proof about the celestial matter… according to Stephen Hawking, etc., it is a fact. So Big Bang theory, today is a fact – Yesterday if was a hypothesis – Once it becomes a fact, I use it. You know there are hypothesis saying that… ‘Human beings have been created from a single pair of genes’ – Adam and Eve. I do not use it, because science has not established. It goes along with the Qur’an. It goes along with the Qur’an, that we have been evolved from one pair Adam and Eve, peace be upon them – But I do not use it, because that is not an established fact. So therefore, while bringing a co-relation between Qur’an and science, etc., see to it that you use only those scientific facts which have been established… and not hypothesis – because Qur’an is far superior to modern science. I am not trying to prove the Qur’an to be the word of God, with the help of science – No, not at all. What I am trying to do – For us Muslims, Qur’an is the ultimate criteria – For the Atheist and for the Non Muslims maybe, science may be the ultimate criteria. I am using the criteria… the yard stick of the Atheist, and comparing with the yard stick of the Muslims – The Qur’an. I am not trying to prove the Qur’an to be the word of God, with the help of science. What I am trying to do, when I bring a compatibility, and I show the superiority of Qur’an ? – That what your science has told us yesterday… Qur’an has told us 14 hundred years ago. I am trying to prove that our yard stick… the Muslim yardstick… the Qur’an, is far superior to your yard stick – The science. Therefore, you should believe in Qur’an, which is far superior – Hope that answers the question.
A. Regarding Islam – the Qur’an says in Surah Nisa, Chapter 4, Verse No.82 – ‘Do they not consider the Qur’an with care? – Had it been from anyone besides Allah, there would have been many contradictions.’ There is not a single.
Regarding more contradictions in the Bible – five minutes will be insufficient – Even if they give me 5 days, its difficult. Any way I will just mention a few. It is mentioned in the 2nd Kings, Chapter No.8, Verse No.26, it says that ‘Ahezia, he was 22 years old, when he began to reign.’ 2nd Chronicles, Chapter No. 22, Verse No. 2, says that… ‘He was 42 years old, when he began to reign.’ Was he 22 years old, or was he 42 years old? – Mathematical contradiction. Further more, in 2nd Chronicles, Chapter No. 21, Verse No. 20, it says that… ‘Joaram, the father of Ahezia, he reigned at the age of 32 – and he reigned for 8 years, and he died at the age of 40. Immediately… Ahezia became the next ruler at the age of 42. Father died at the age of 40 – Immediately son takes over, who is at the age of 42. How can a son, be two years older than the father?’ Believe me even… even in Hollywood film, you will not be able to produce it. In Hollywood film, you can produce a ‘unicorn’ which I mentioned in my talk. Unicorn… you can have Coccrodyasis, which the Bible speaks about, Concrodyasis and dragons and serpents. But in Hollywood you cannot even show a son, being two years older than the father. It cannot even be a miracle – Even in miracles; it is not possible – Impossible. In miracle, you can have a person being born of a virgin birth – but in miracle you cannot have a son being older than the father, by 2 years. Further if you read – it is mentioned in the Bible, in 2nd Samuel Chapter No 24, Verse No 9, that… ‘The people that were involved in the battlefield. It gives a list of these people, in 2nd Samuel, Chapter 24, Verse No. 9, and it says that… ‘People that took part 800 thousand of the men of Israel, took part – and 500 thousand of the men of Judah same.’ If you see other places, 1st Chronicle, Chapter 21, Verse No. 5, it says that… ‘1 million – Hundred thousand people took part in the battle field, from the men of Israel – and ten thousand four hundred and sixty men took part of Judah.’ Was it 800 thousand people who took part from the men of Israel, or was it 1 million – 100 thousand? Was it 5 lakh people of Judah that took part or 10,460? A clear-cut contradiction. Further more, it is mentioned in the Bible in 2nd Samuel, Chapter No. 6, Verse No 23, that… ‘Michael the daughter of Saul – she had no sons’ – 2nd Samuel’, Chapter 21, Verse No. 8… ‘Michael the daughter of Saul had 5 sons.’ One place it says… ‘No children, no son, no daughter’ – Other place… ‘5 sons.’ Further more if you read, it is mentioned in Gospel of Mathew, Chapter No. 1, Verse No. 16 – it says about the genealogy of Jesus Christ peace be upon him – as well as Luke Chapter No. 3, Verse No. 23, and it says that… Jesus’ father, that is Joseph – his father was Jacob’ – Mathew, Chapter 1, Verse 16. And Luke, Chapter No 3, Verse No 23… Jesus’ father… Joseph – his father was Hailey. Did Jesus’ father… Joseph, had two fathers ? What do you call a person who has got two fathers ? Or was it Hailey – or was it Jacob ? Clear-cut contradiction.
A. (Dr. Zakir): Sister asked the question that I did not address, regarding what the Bible says about the shape of the earth – due to lack of time – I can point out another 100 points – lack of time. Anyhow, sister wants to know what the Bible speaks about shape of the earth. It is mentioned in the Bible, in the Gospel of Mathew, Chapter No.4, Verse No.8, it says – the same reference which Dr. William Campbell used about tempting… ‘The devil took him… that is Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, to an exceedingly high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the earth and its glory. Gospel of Luke Chapter No.4, Verse No.5…‘The devil took him to a high mountain and showed him the glory of all the kingdoms of the world.’ Now, even if you go to the tallest mountain, the highest mountain in the world… that is Mount Everest, and supposingly, you have a very good vision, and can see for thousands of miles together – Yet, you will not be able to see all the kingdoms of the world – Because today we know, the earth is spherical. You will not be able to see the kingdom, of the opposite side of the world. The only way you will be able to see, if the earth was flat. That is the description what the Bible gives…‘The earth is flat.’ Further more, this same description is repeated in the book of Daniel, Chapter No.4, Verse No.10 and 11. It says… ‘In a dream, that the tree grew up into the heaven, and there when the tree grew up into the heaven, it grew up so much, that every one from all the ends of the earth, they could see the tree. This is only possible, if the shape of the earth was flat. If a tree is very long and the shape of the earth was flat it is possible. Today it is a universal fact that the world is spherical – You will never be able to see the tree, however much long it is, from the opposite side of the spherical shape of the earth. Further more if you read, it is mentioned in the 1st Chronicles, Chapter No.16, Verse No.30, that… ‘The earth does not move.’ The same is repeated in the book of Psalms, Chapter No.93, Verse No.1, that… ‘Almighty God has stabilized the earth.’ – That means the earth does not move. And in the New International Version, it says that… ‘God has established and stopped the movement of the earth.
A. (Dr Zakir): Coming to the question of the sister, that there are Christians who say that scientifically we can prove the concept of trinity – like how water can be in 3 states solid, liquid and gas… like ice, water and vapour, so similarly, we know God is in 3 forms father, son and holy ghost. How to reply – and is this scientifically correct ?
Scientifically, I do agree water can be in 3 forms solid, liquid and gas… Ice, water and vapour. But scientifically, we also know that the component of water remains the same. H2O – 2 atoms of hydrogen, and one atom of oxygen. The components remain the same; the constituents remain the same – the forms keep on changing; there is no problem. Let us check with the concept of ‘trinity’– Concept of trinity – Father, son, and holy ghost – Form… they say… ‘Form changes.’ Okay for the sake of argument, we agree. Does the component change? God and holy Ghost are made of spirit – Human beings are made of flesh and bones – They are not the same. Human beings require to eat – God does not require to eat, to survive – They are not the same. And this is testified by Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, himself in the Gospel of Luke, Chapter No. 24, Verse No. 36 to 39. He says that… ‘Behold my hands and feet – Handle me and see, for a spirit has no flesh and bones.’ He says… ‘Behold my hands and feet – Handle me and see, for a spirit has no flesh and bones.’ And he gave his hands, and they saw, and they were overjoyed. And he said that… ‘Do you have any meat to eat ?’ And they gave him broiled fish and a piece of honeycomb – And he ate. To prove what? That he was God? To prove that he was not God. He ate, and he is flesh and bones – A spirit has got no flesh and bones. This proves that it is scientifically not possible that Father, son and Holy Ghost – Father, Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, and Holy Ghost, is Almighty God. And the concept of ‘trinity’, – the word ‘trinity’ does not exist anywhere in the Bible. The word trinity is not there in the Bible – But it is there in the Qur’an. Qur’an says in Surah Nisa, Chapter No. 4, Verse No. 171, it says “Do not say trinity, desist stop it! It is better for you.’ Trinity is also there in Surah Maidah, Chapter No.5, Verse No.73, which says …(Arabic)… They are doing ‘Kufr’ – They are blaspheming – those who say that Allah in 3 in one – Is a triune God. Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, never said he was God – The concept of trinity does not exist in the Bible. The only verse which is closest to the concept of ‘trinity’, is the 1st Epistle of John, Chapter No.5, Verse No.7, which says… ‘For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the word and the holy ghost, and these 3 are one. But if you read the Revised Standard Version, revised by 32 scholars… Christian scholars, of the highest eminence, backed by 50 different co-operative denominations, they say… ‘This verse of the Bible – 1st Epistle of John, Chapter 5 Verse No.7 is an interpolation, is a concoction, is a fabrication’ – It was thrown out of the Bible. Jesus Christ peace be upon him, never claimed Divinity. There is not a single unequivocal statement in the complete Bible, where Jesus Christ peace be upon him says… ‘I am God’ – or where he says… ‘Worship me’. Infect if you read the Bible, it is mentioned in the Gospel of John, Chapter No.14, Verse No.28 – he said…‘My Father is greater than I’; Gospel of John, Chapter No.10, Verse No.29…‘My Father is greater than all’; Gospel of Mathew, Chapter No.12, Verse No.28…‘I cast out devils with the spirit of God’; Gospel of Luke, Chapter No.11, Verse No.20…‘I with the finger of God, cast out devil’; Gospel of John, Chapter No.5, Verse No.30…‘I can of my own self do nothing – As I hear, I judge and my judgement is just, for I seek not my own will, but the will of my Father.’ Anyone who says… ‘Not my will but God’s will’ – he is a Muslim. Muslim means the person who submits his’ will to almighty God. Jesus Christ peace be upon him said…‘Not my will but God’s will.’ He was a Muslim – and he was Alhamdulillah, one of the mightiest messengers of God. We believe…We believe that he was born miraculously, without any male intervention. We believe he gave life to the dead, with God’s permission. We believe that he healed those born blind, and lepers with God’s permission. We respect Jesus Christ peace be upon him, as one of the mightiest messenger of God. But he is not God, and he is not a part of the trinity – Trinity does not exist. Qur’an says…. (Arabic)… ‘Say He is Allah, one and only.’